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October 29, 2013 by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) at 05:16 AM

GUEST BLOG BY TOM BEREND, SQE DIRECTOR

Those opposing school reform point out that Finland does not use high-stakes testing, and has a well-paid, unionized public-school system and universal pre-kindergarten - much the same as Ontario does.   The blame for our educational failure is laid on poverty and poor parenting, and the proposed way forward is treat teachers with more respect, eliminate high-stakes testing, and spend more everywhere.

But as Amanda Ripley points out in her book The Smartest Kids in the World, that completely misrepresents the evolution of the Finnish educational system. Not that long ago Finns were dirt-poor and largely illiterate, and struggling with a third-world education system staffed with mediocre teachers.

"... the first phase of reforms in Finland were painful, top-down, accountability-based measures.  Finland, it turns out, had its own No Child Left Behind moment, one that today will sound familiar to teachers in the United States and many other countries. In the 1970's, Finnish teachers had to keep diaries recording what they taught each hour. National school inspectors made regular visits to make sure teachers were following an exhaustive, seven-hundred-page centralized curriculum. Central authorities approved textbooks.Teachers could not be trusted to make their own decisions.

"During the same time period, the Finnish government did something else too - something that had never happened in the United States or most other countries.  The Finns rebooted their teacher-training colleges, forcing them to become much more selective and rigorous. As part of the broader reform of higher education, the government shuttered the smaller schools and moved teacher preparation into the more respected universities.  It was a bold reform, and not without controversy.  Opponents argued that the new system was elitist and would, as one editorial warned, "block the road to our rural youth when their inner calling beckons them to a [teaching] career."  Some university leaders objected, too, fearing that the inclusion of such preprofessional, practical training might dilute academic standards for the departments and lower their institutions' prestige. Interestingly, these same arguments were also made in the United States whenever anyone tried to make teacher training more selective.

"Still, Finland was desperate to modernize, and the country's leaders agreed that education was the only thing that could save their country from being left behind. The more I read the history and talked to Finns who understood it, the more I admired the common sense running through the story. The Finns decided that the only way to get serious about education was to select highly educated teachers, the best and the brightest of each generation, and train them rigorously. So that's what they did.  It was a radically obvious strategy that few countries have attempted.

"Then, in the 1980s and 1990s, something magnificent happened. Finland evolved to an entirely new state, unrealized in almost any country in the world. It happened slowly, and partly by accident, but it explained more about Finland's success than almost anything else.

"With the new, higher standards and more rigorous teacher training in place, Finland's top-down, No-Child-Left-Behind-style mandates became unnecessary. More than that, they were a burden, preventing teachers and schools from reaching a higher level of excellence. So Finland began dismantling its most oppressive regulations, piece-by-piece, as if removing the scaffolding from a fine sculpture.

"The government abolished school inspections. It didn't need them anymore. Now that teachers had been carefully chosen and trained, they were trusted to develop a national core curriculum, to run their own classrooms, and to choose their own textbooks. They were trained the way teachers should be trained, and treated the way teachers should be treated.

"In the early 1990s, an economic crisis accelerated this evolution, ironically enough. Because of a deep recession, Finland's local authorities needed to slash spending. Education budgets had to be cut 15 to 20 percent. The only way local officials would agree to deep cuts was if they got something in return. So, national leaders agreed to grant even more autonomy to the locals, more than most other countries had ever dared to. This liberation only worked because of all the changes that had come before. By then, the Finns had engineered a robust system with highly educated, well-trained teachers and relatively coherent (and high) standards. Once that system was in place, the accountability checks and balances were superfluous. School leaders and teachers were free to write their own lesson plans, engineer experiments within their schools to find out what worked, and generally design a more creative system than any centralized authority ever could."

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It would be fascinating to get a glimpse of the collaboration systems that teachers use in Finland to share their individual approaches thus leveraging on a hive basis individual developments so that their colleagues have access. 

What would our education system look like without all the administrative drones who clog its arteries both on the govt and union sides of the equation ?

Posted by Frank Xavier on 10/29 at 06:02 AM

To summarize, Finland’s success is a result of:
1)Accountability at the teacher level to focus their efforts and remove those not performing.
2)Selective & Rigorous standards for teachers college
3) Economic circumstances leading to budget cutbacks in exchange for local autonomy.

Sounds like the Mike Harris plan of the 1990’s to me.

Posted by Bryan Moir on 10/29 at 07:25 AM

Indeed the blame for the failure of the education system is put on the parents. I see it in my child’s school. While I ask for information and remind about the importance of my involvement in my son’s education I am being ignored, brushed off and even scorned for having overblown expectations. I am asking for daily or as a weekly plan information about what is thought at school.  Would anybody expect me to have trouble with this?  Probably not…

Posted by Ewa Lach on 10/29 at 08:41 AM

pobod

To Ewa - yes your requests are totally out of line and 100% of the school would agree prompting much eye rolling. You cannot ask for this. imagine if everyone asked for this? nothing else would get done.

To Tom; When dealing with mass numbers poverty remains the number one problem and Finland solved that by eliminating poverty. The 5% that remains is not very concentrated, the other poverty factor according to OECD and everyone else familiar with education results.

For the 100th time blaming poverty is not the same as blaming parents. Parents are not primarily responsible for poverty. On an individual case basis. Who is responsible to make sure the student is up on time, well fed, well clothed with dental care vision care, etc. These aspects of a child’s life are critical to the child’s academic development. The school cannot follow the child home, make sure they get enough sleep and read them a story. Also critical.

Parents need to quick trying to shift the blame onto the school for the shortcomings of many families.

Parents foolishly come to parents night and proclaim “the muntiplication tables are not taught properly because my child does not know them well” the teachers are usually too polite to say “can you explain why all the other children in the class know them.”

Posted by Malkin Dare on 10/29 at 06:09 PM

pobod

Tom is not incorrect just incomplete. I support Finland’s direction overwhelmingly but not totally.

Prior to the 1970s Finland’s economy looked like northern Ontario. Lumbering and mining in the bush. Primary commodity production. They realized modern technology meant fewer and fewer miners and lumberjacks could produce more product. They needed to become a modern “Nokia” society. These changes led to the reforms which led to the fabulous system in Finland today but they are not the only changes.

Finland is a multi-party democracy but it has social-democracy at its core like Sweden. The SDP does not need to rule to maintain this, there is a strong consensus. Finland looks like Canada would look if the NDP and sometimes Liberals ruled for 40 years. It has 5% child poverty the critical number that serparates high achieving regions from low regions witness the USA, Massachusetts vs Alabama in education result.

The rest of the reforms are much as Tom describes them. They are a highy unionized education system, this is characteristic of most successful systems. They have very little testing with the big acception of a matriculation exm.

They are very Deweyist in their pedagogy with a project orienttion, and very short in school teaching and learning times.

Although they start “school” at 7 years old they have an advanced network of largely municipal childcare and ECE.

Their teachers are highly respected since every one has a masters degree and many have 2 masters degrees, similar to MEd and MA or MSc in a teaching subject. The way to control for high quality teachers is not “after the fact” witch hunts but up front by making it very difficult to become a teacher. Some Finns complain that it is actually easier to become a doctor.

Conclusion: There is no need for standardized testing. There is no need to limit unions. there is no need for high levels of structured learning although some is obviously always required. There is no need for privatization or charters or vouchers or even competition. All of these problems cn be solved by rigorous teacher education and selection. BTW teacher trainees are paid the beginning teacher rate while still in school,

The Finnish system is unique in other ways. We begin rigorous streaming/tracking in grade 9. They postpone it until after grade 10 to give more kids a chance to make the university bound academic stream but the tech stream at least leads to good solid blue collar jobs unlike here where it leads to EI and welfare.

There is a secret Finnish advantage. There is very little Finnish TV or movie production except the news and chat shows. When Finns watch drama on TV or the movies it is overwhelmingly English or german with Finnish subtitles. This forces all Finns to learn to read quickly and well to enjoy drama.

Canada BTW puts a much higher % of students in college and university than Finland but Finland like much of northern Europe, has stronger apprenticeship programs leading to good jobs.

Posted by Malkin Dare on 10/29 at 06:10 PM

In response to POBOD but in defense of Ewa….

POBOD, are you telling me that I have no right in knowing what my child is learning?

Are you telling me that as a parent, I have no right to ask questions about the way the material is presented?

Are you telling me that as a parent, I am to sit back, relax and assume that every teacher is doing due diligence to the best of his or her abilities always and everyday and correctly teaching my child in such a way that they can grasp and understand everything?

Are you telling me that I cannot have a general breakdown of lesson plans to make sure they at least meet the basics of the convoluted Ontario curriculum?

Are you telling me that as a parent I have no right to know ahead of time if my child is below, at, or above class average so that I may intefere at home, with Kumon, or Oxford, or Learna, or tutoring, or supplementing, or augmenting at home, if I the parent feel it’s necessary?

Are you telling me that if my child develops problems I, the parent, am simply to give up on my child and let the teacher, the principal, the school, the system do what they feel is best even if as a parent I feel my child is being failed?

Are you telling me that only my money is good, that I should pay taxes, and shut up and realize that every teacher hired is the best answer to my child’s needs?

Are you telling me that if I am unsatisfied with my local schools I, the parent, the taxpayer, should move to where I feel I will be better served?

Are you telling me that my child’s teacher who insisted that Ottawa is the capital of Ontario, while Toronto the capital of Canada should be left alone and not reported, and my child simply answer the test as she has taught and unlearn this in another class?

Are you telling me that if my child’s teacher has not taught any science I should sit back, kick up my heels and come to grips that either I tutor/supplement/teach at home, and rest easy and optimistic that perhaps some other teacher might fill in the gaps at some point later?

Are you telling me, the taxpaying parent of teacher salaries, that if my child does not understand the math presented by the ridiculous textbook and I with the M.A. in mathematics, and my husband the P.Eng, also cannot understand the lessons or the expecations of the questions that we should just assume our kid is dumb and the teacher and system are fine, and again supplement/tutor/but heaven forbid not re-teach via long division because the almighty infallible system of education knows what’s best?

Are you telling me, the parent, that the system will raise my child in the best way possible and I simply should trust the teacher, the professional to do the best job at developing my child into who they are meant to be?

Basically, the lesson plans can be sold online to other teachers. They can be disseminated for a dollar to supplement their dire existence, but they cannot be shown to those parents who care, as they will form some breach of confidence amongst teachers everywhere, who are all created equal, and all will always do the best possible by each child everywhere?

So, I the parent, the taxpayer, am to shut up, and say nothing, and bow low to the almighty and infallible teachers, their boards, and their unions thanking God that I live in this wonderful province where only professional board certified educators know absolutely everything?

Really?! Gee, I’ll sit back now, and rest easy that I the parent (and don’t get me wrong, there are a few parents out there who are not the best parents, as the many kids in foster care will indicate, but I guess that means all of us are bad parents, undeserving of information about our kids) am only there to procreate for the planet and then to give up any rights to my flesh and blood, know that the system will raise them as they should be raised.

Hmmmmm…...sounds a little like Communism.

Dumb ol’ parent that I am….thought we lived in a democracy.

You’re right as always…. teacher knows best.

Posted by A Parent on 10/29 at 06:44 PM

Thank you dear Parent. You basically said it all and certainly better than me. This is exactly how I feel and thanks to you I see that I am not alone.

Posted by Ewa Lach on 10/29 at 07:45 PM

POSTED ON BEHALF OF DOUG

Basically I am telling you you have no right to about 3/4 of that. The lesson plans are none of your business. You have a right to a report card, a parents night interview and maybe 1 or 2 phone calls in between. Your child is not the only kid in the class.

Any parent that made anything close to the demands of these 2 would be considered a total nuisance by the school. I would expect she would get a call from a principal or SO telling her this.

Posted by Malkin Dare on 10/30 at 03:58 AM

POSTED ON BEHALF OF DOUG

To A parent,

Faced with a list like yours the entire school system would react that you are way out of your rights. You might get 10% of that. Principals, SOs even the Director and trustees would treat you as a busy body.

Try it in the USA with a charter or voucher. try it with a private school here in Canada. They will all tell you to butt out. You have no right to most of this.

Posted by Malkin Dare on 10/30 at 03:59 AM

Thanks A Parent, but I would have gone further by pulling on the long list of infractions being made by the education establishment concerning their practices and policies. Some are very dumb, that no parent with common sense would institute them in their home. My evidence would be lifted from the front pages of the newspapers to show the education cultural biases embedded within the public education system. However, I am not going to do that - it would require a number of pages, turning it into a book. More on it later but first…....

One of the taboos which is a recent development from the 1990s, now firmly established in the public schools is no monthly or weekly updates to alert parents on what will be covered in the weeks to follow. Another taboo, is study guides outlining the main facts of the lessons or the unit.

At the dawn of the 21st century, as I found out to my surprise, the practice of parent monthly updates or student outlines for lesson/unit plans has gone the way of the do-do bird. The public educators have rather a lengthy list as to why the practices were stopped centered around the main themes it hindered parental involvement and for the students it hinders student learning. .

As a parent, I too had felt the sting of the school, blaming me on a host of items relating to the low achievement of my youngest child.

A pattern was emerging, and I set out to see if this pattern was consistent over time. I could have save myself a lot of time, if I went first to the administrative files and the private agendas of the education stakeholders. The reason why there is no student study/lesson/unit guides or parental updates as to what will be covered in the week or the month is a very simple decision by school board administrations. It is also the reason why, the basic supplies and resources that one might find in a school are in short supply.

Paper and other school supplies are now kept within a tight budget, that necessitated caps to be put on paper for the classroom teachers. Each teacher are now allotted a set amount of paper, resulting in paper communication to parents to go the way of the do-do bird or be limited to the essentials. This in turn, caused a cascading effect throughout the operations of schools where the education stakeholders have found it much easier to provide excuses that sometimes defies logic, then it is to provide the underlying reasons why study guides or parent lessons/unit plans for weekly or monthly had to go the way of the do-do bird.

As A Parent has suggested, “sounds a little like Communism”? Sounds more like the cultural biases and beliefs embedded in the public education system that are overriding and rewriting the missions of schools to the private agendas of the education stakeholders. One can’t have parents finding out, the basic resources of the school are tied to caps and limits are place on the classroom educators and each student. Remember the drill sheets that sometimes would arrived home for your kids for extra practice to get over the learning hump?  Well, it is all about the paper cap per student…....ergo…...drill sheets are evil according to the progressive pedagogues which is the cultural beliefs. Even though drill sheets have been proven by the science in the cognitive fields that drill sheets are very effective for students and their learning, parents are being told today by the education establishment that drill sheets are bad for their children.

It all relates to the paper caps put on each school, each classroom educator and each student that has resulted in drill sheets, paper communication to parents, and other things such as written communication from the principal to the parent has gone the way of the do-do bird. What is left?  To blame the parents and any other external SES variables but never the school and the operations of the school. For $12,000 - parents are essentially being asked to complied and become obedient parents following the edicts of the education stakeholders according to their cultural biases and beliefs.

What does this have to do with Tom’s post on Finland. Quite a lot, because in Finland, parents do not have the problems like Canadian parents have and that has a lot to do with the transformation of the Finland’s education system while maintaining wide open and honest communication to the parents regarding their children’s progress in school.

My next post, will be to correct the misleading information of Doug’s, and present the true facts that gives added weight to Tom’s post as to how effective the operations of Finland’s schools really are that aids families in helping their children while making good decisions for their children’s education.

Posted by Nancy on 10/30 at 06:36 AM

To all interested participants of this conversation -  I would like to let you know that I did receive monthly outline of my child’s plan of work to which I do have a full right as stated in

Article 26 Universal Declaration of Human Rights Section:

(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children. 

Posted by Ewa on 10/30 at 07:55 AM

Part 1

Thanks A Parent, but I would have gone further by pulling on the long list of infractions being made by the education establishment concerning their practices and policies. Some are very dumb, that no parent with common sense would institute them in their home. My evidence would be lifted from the front pages of the newspapers to show the education cultural biases embedded within the public education system. However, I am not going to do that - it would require a number of pages, turning it into a book. More on it later but first…....

One of the taboos which is a recent development from the 1990s, now firmly established in the public schools is no monthly or weekly updates to alert parents on what will be covered in the weeks to follow. Another taboo, is study guides outlining the main facts of the lessons or the unit.

At the dawn of the 21st century, as I found out to my surprise, the practice of parent monthly updates or student outlines for lesson/unit plans has gone the way of the do-do bird. The public educators have rather a lengthy list as to why the practices were stopped centered around the main themes it hindered parental involvement and for the students it hinders student learning. .

As a parent, I too had felt the sting of the school, blaming me on a host of items relating to the low achievement of my youngest child.

A pattern was emerging, and I set out to see if this pattern was consistent over time. I could have save myself a lot of time, if I went first to the administrative files and the private agendas of the education stakeholders. The reason why there is no student study/lesson/unit guides or parental updates as to what will be covered in the week or the month is a very simple decision by school board administrations. It is also the reason why, the basic supplies and resources that one might find in a school are in short supply.

Paper and other school supplies are now kept within a tight budget, that necessitated caps to be put on paper for the classroom teachers. Each teacher are now allotted a set amount of paper, resulting in paper communication to parents to go the way of the do-do bird or be limited to the essentials. This in turn, caused a cascading effect throughout the operations of schools where the education stakeholders have found it much easier to provide excuses that sometimes defies logic, then it is to provide the underlying reasons why study guides or parent lessons/unit plans for weekly or monthly had to go the way of the do-do bird.

As A Parent has suggested, “sounds a little like Communism”? Sounds more like the cultural biases and beliefs embedded in the public education system that are overriding and rewriting the missions of schools to the private agendas of the education stakeholders. One can’t have parents finding out, the basic resources of the school are tied to caps and limits are place on the classroom educators and each student. Remember the drill sheets that sometimes would arrived home for your kids for extra practice to get over the learning hump?  Well, it is all about the paper cap per student…....ergo…...drill sheets are evil according to the progressive pedagogues which is the cultural beliefs. Even though drill sheets have been proven by the science in the cognitive fields that drill sheets are very effective for students and their learning, parents are being told today by the education establishment that drill sheets are bad for their children.

It all relates to the paper caps put on each school, each classroom educator and each student that has resulted in drill sheets, paper communication to parents, and other things such as written communication from the principal to the parent has gone the way of the do-do bird. What is left?  To blame the parents and any other external SES variables but never the school and the operations of the school. For $12,000 - parents are essentially being asked to complied and become obedient parents following the edicts of the education stakeholders according to their cultural biases and beliefs.

What does this have to do with Tom’s post on Finland. Quite a lot, because in Finland, parents do not have the problems like Canadian parents have and that has a lot to do with the transformation of the Finland’s education system while maintaining wide open and honest communication to the parents regarding their children’s progress in school.

My next post, will be to correct the misleading information of Doug’s, and present the true facts that gives added weight to Tom’s post as to how effective the operations of Finland’s schools really are that aids families in helping their children while making good decisions for their children’s education.

Posted by Nancy on 10/30 at 09:05 AM

Part 2

The key to Finland, is that the Finnish education system is constantly being reformed and altered that best fits the needs of their students. So, unlike in Canada -one-sized-fits-all approaches and blame the parents for the failures of the public education system. Why? The Canadian education stakeholders are refusing to work with the outside researchers, the government departments across the span, on a locally, regional and national levels for the best interests of students and their education. And let us get serious, because the teachers’ unions’ heads would not want more autonomy for the classroom teachers, because it would put an end to negotiating contracts based on the social-income status of students and dancing on the backs of the bottom 50 % of the low achievers. 

If Canadian teachers had the autonomy, and there is no doubt, the first victims would be the whole language masquerading as balanced literacy to the math textbooks in the classroom.

Oh by the way, Doug is also very wrong on the television habits of the Finnish people in the 21st century. But why bother with inconvenient facts, when one just has to altered the facts to fit the false narratives of the education class to keep the status-quo of healthy salary raises and staff levels.  Go figure, why ruin a good narrative with inconvenient facts that shows the opposite in the land of Finland, home to the leading developers in 21st century technology. Next thing, Doug will be doing is describing that the Finnish citizens were still washing their laundry by the side of the creeks or using wringer washers, until the Finnish government came to the rescue providing a washer and dryer to all of their citizens.

On the side note, in the 1960s,  I could say that about the folks living far away from the U.S. border who at the very best had one or two stations. Meanwhile, I had 12 stations and later on that creep up to 16 stations with three being Canadian and the rest American. However, it is no longer true in the 21st century for any country in the developed world. Plus in Finland, like other countries in Europe - it is how students are exposed to the English language. But one would find the academic papers on the web, outlining the reasons why the majority of Europeans have verbal fluency for two or more languages. One of the reasons, is television viewing…...........but why bother when the false narratives laced with biases and false beliefs will do for the Canadian education establishment of hidden agendas and self-serving best interests?

Posted by Nancy on 10/30 at 09:06 AM

Dear Doug,

I tried addressing my list (the one above) with the teachers in the public system and received exactly what you claim I should have deserved, and I quote, “Have your child go to Kumon if you want extra work. My hands are tied by the unions. And I have to do only as I’m told.”.

I then took it to the principal. (S)He closed the door. (S)He discussed various options with me, agreeing to all my demands and telling me that I the parent am 100% within my rights to demand such things, but that unfortunately the unions and school boards have tied their hands so tightly there really isn’t much that can be done.

When I told this principal that I am taking my child out of the school system to homeschool, (s)he first told me that this is about the best thing I could do short of finding a good private school. (S)he then helped me to file all the necessary paper work. I was told, that if I should encounter any problems whatsoever, (s)he would be more than happy to help me resolve any issues and offer any expertise. However, the one request was that this would be done, privately, behind closed doors. This principal agreed with pretty much everything SQE stands for, but menitoned that (s)he due to age is sticking it out, tired of fighting for justice, they are too old, and want in few years a retirement pension - which I agree this principal so rightly deserves.

Since then I homeschooled. When we were fortunate enough to have our kids attend private schools, three different types of private schools, in different parts of the city (based on age and personalities of children - artistic, thriving academically, and very young) we were able to ask questions, meet with either teachers and/or principals VERY OFTEN. Suggestions were always taken into consideration, and were implemented if good, or it was explained to us why it wouldn’t work, or what else was done.

Private school teachers were kind, courteous, generous with their time, genuinely cared for the children, called parents once a month at home, provided ideas and solutions to all based on need, and were very much over-worked, able to fit in the academic demands which they were faaaaaaaaaaar superior to those encountered in public schools, and I’m know, under-paid for their vocation.

They won’t be getting a pension from these schools. But they were (all but 1 out of 25 taking 3 schools into consideration and all the teachers that have taught my children over the years including specialty subjects like art, music, gym, French, etc.) the most dedicated bunch of caring professionals I’ve ever seen.

And for the record, I wasn’t the only Mom chatting with them about my kids after school. Somehow, miraculously they were able to ALWAYS spend time with any parent who needed their attention.

What’s more, 1 private school posted lesson plans on the classroom door, while another school posts it to this day, on their school blog on a daily basis so that ALL parents with access to the internet know exactly what was taught, what homework is assigned, and what the expecations and learning outcomes are to be.

So yes dear Doug, there IS a difference! And yes, I the parent AM most certainly entitled to know what my child is learning, and how they are doing, so that I the parent may better know how to help them. In the private system, the teachers and I work together.

When will we have more accountabilty in our public school system? When? Count the number of privates out there and the number of homeschoolers. And for those who can’t afford it, then why all the Kumons, Learnas, Oxfords, A1 Tutoring, etc.? Truth be told, there is an exodus from public schools by those who are fortunate enough to take their kids and run. What about those who want to but can’t?

Posted by A Parent on 10/31 at 11:07 AM

POBOD

To a parent -

I’m sure the public school was very releaved to find out you had gone to a private school.

Posted by Malkin Dare on 11/02 at 06:08 AM

See what I mean about ‘The Attitude’ within the cultural of the education stakeholders from the top to the bottom. Doug’s posting is a common attitude, that has done far more damage to children’s futures, because most parents do not have the means or the skills to fight back the public education establishment, who have established a war chest of tactics to keep parents in line. A Parent was exposed to the tactic, of smile, listen and the wink. Where as I was exposed first to the smile, then the frown and then the personal attack. What was the difference between A Parent and myself - A Parent was a teacher, but she could have been a lawyer or a doctor . I was this nobody without many letters behind my name who dared to question the classroom instruction and curriculum.

You see, the public education system is not all inclusive and democratic. Nor are the public education stakeholders given to respect and safeguard the dignity of all parents. It really is all about the social-income ranking of parents - the lower it is, the more apt the education establishment will dis the parents to keep them in line. However, in the parent files - stories of wealthy business people who did not come from the professional class have also experienced the same type of demeaning attitudes from the education class. For the wealthy business people, they can leave to go to the private schools, when they get dis by the public school, and the principal is often relieved that this parent is gone, because it is a much harder effort on the school part to tell the parent to go crawl back to the rock that they crawl from then the effort that is expended to chase parents of lower social-income back under the rocks.

For both A Parent and the wealth business person, they had the means, the skills and the confidence in themselves to cut their losses, conclude the school is not going to change and then take action that are in the best interests of their children. As for myself, I now rue the day in 2001, that I did not cut my losses and homeschool. I did not have enough confidence in my skills but I was also dealing with something that never happened to me, the school and an education official from the school board calling me stupid. They did not come out and said the word stupid, but by the end of a very nasty discussion that I was dead wrong about my child having a learning disability - apparently I did not have the knowledge or the education levels to conclude my child had learning difficulties. It is a good thing that I have a strong set of skills and a wide general knowledge banks that crosses the span, because I kept coming back, refusing to stay under my rock. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall, when I sic the big guys from above ordering the school to give me what I want or an investigation was about to descend on the school.

Posted by Nancy on 11/02 at 07:50 AM

Doug,aren`t you overstaing your authority,since when does anyone have to defer to YOU in the field of education?

Who are YOU to offer demeaning belittling answers to a parent or Nancy or Malkin for that matter.

YOU matter not-you are a perfect indication of what we`re fighting against,UNION BULLIES,who go after salary increases and reduce care for children and tell teachers they don`t have to anwer to constituents.
I think we should all stop paying our taxes till the Ministry of Ed. fixes this problem.

You need to be accountable,ALL of you!

Posted by Jo-Anne Gross on 11/03 at 07:55 AM

Wow!

Loved Tom’s post.  Everyone here has argued bits of the key idea.  THE KEY IDEA:  select carefully from a pool of candidates - and select only the most qualified.  In Finland one it ten applicants *who already have earned at least a masters degree*  are accepted into the teacher training program.  These candidates must read current research and answer a test based on the research to prove that they can understand/implement effective strategies.  No need for micromanagement if your staff is composed of qualified/proven educators.

As for understanding the what/how of what goes on in your child’s classroom - I follow the student notebook and the tests - compare it to the curriculum - and I have a very good idea what is and what is not happening.

In highschool - I teach 90 students per semester.  Doug is right, I do not have the time to keep parents informed as I am very busy getting the job done.  The parents in my experience get it .  My students’  notes, assignments, tests, and the textbook are a clear indicator if curriculum expectations are being met.

The key is to hire professionals who take pride in their work.  Academics and not Bubbas that coach.


best.  Mirka

Posted by Mirka on 11/03 at 07:45 PM

POBOD - To a parent -
I’m sure the public school was very releaved to find out you had gone to a private school.
Posted by Malkin Dare on 11/02 at 06:08 AM

This is so rude and belittling! The attitude that the parent with his suggestions, requests, and complaints is nothing but a nuisance is very common among school administrators.  We really should stop paying taxes to the ministry until changes are being made for something very important is being forgotten -  WE ARE PAYING YOUR SALARY therefore we are the clients, and YOU are serving us.  Until this is remembered we will ask and demand.  We will leave the school system one by one when we will not be rightfully served.  The trend is already obvious.  We will opt to homeschool or to pay only good salaries to competent and dedicated teachers and thanks God they are still around.  The parents who withdraw their children from the system are those who care and are willing to help you educated them. You said that everybody is probably happy when they leave (together with the unwanted demands). Yes, we will leave but who will stay within such a broken system for you to work with? Kids of parents who don’t have time for them? Or kids of parents who just don’t care? Perhaps only problem kids who don’t have any other choice/place to go?  They will be certainly of less trouble to accommodate and easier to ‘handle.”

Posted by Parentia Teachersky on 11/08 at 09:38 AM

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