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Worth the Wait

Worth the Wait
May 25, 2010 by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) at 06:07 AM

Now available from our lending library is Learning As We Go: Why school choice is worth the wait by Paul T. Hill, the director of the Center on Reinventing Public Education, which studies alternative governance, financing, human resources, and accountability systems for public elementary and secondary education. 

The lack of stunning gains for American school choice programs (charter schools in 43 states and vouchers or tuition tax credits in about a dozen jurisdictions) has emboldened critics and dismayed supporters alike. This book posits that, while the theories behind the school choice movement are correct, they fail to take into consideration "the real-world factors that can complicate, delay, and even in some instances interfere with the cause and effect relationships identified by the theories behind school choice". These real-world factors include political opposition, entrenched systems, inevitable time lags, and the complexity of creating good schools. The excerpt elaborates on the forces behind political opposition to school choice. (pp. 21-22)

"School choice threatens to upset existing patterns of resource allocation and substantive decision-making. It is too simple to say that the interests standing against choice are those that now benefit most from the existing arrangements in public education - but only a little. There are individuals and groups with no children in schools and no personal financial interests at stake who nonetheless adhere to the ideas sketched above. Moreover, some families that could exercise choices that might benefit their children educationally avoid doing so, out of a belief that keeping their children in traditional public schools is an act of civic virtue.

"However, the main interests at stake are those of people whose jobs, incomes, or positions of power depend on the current arrangements in public education. These groups include current public school employees, particularly permanent district central office staff, state school officials, and teachers' unions.

"These groups have strong interests in keeping key decisions within traditional channels. Most choice plans eliminate automatic spending on state and district bureaucracies, requiring instead that funds flow first to the schools parents choose and then to external service providers only if schools decide to buy their services. These provisions threaten bureaucracies that now control as much as half the money available for public education and offer guaranteed life-time employment to their staffs. Most choice plans also transfer authority for teacher-hiring and pay-setting to individual schools. This further weakens the central bureaucracies that are now staffed to hire and allocate teachers. More importantly, it undercuts teachers' unions in two ways. By making individual schools the employers of teachers, choice would render district-wide collective bargaining units moot: teachers would organize at the school rather than district level. Teachers' unions would therefore lose the capacity to control teacher pay and working conditions for a whole district with one collective bargaining agreement. They would also be at risk of losing members as teachers in some schools might choose not to unionize...."

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I read an article in the New York Post, that indicates, and in reality, there is a big shift occurring in the Democratic circles. Teachers unions now have to worry about the Democrats that are now reformers, who are sitting in key political positions, and as well as their tradition enemy, the Republicans.

Choice and teacher accountability is coming down the pipe line, at least in the United States. It is too bad, we really do not have any savvy provincial politicians, who are willing to make massive reforms needed in the public education system. I would think they are a little tired of hearing from the teachers’ unions, with demands of more money with conditions of no accountability, yet still promote public education as the only route for the masses, and than say, as afterthoughts, it is really up to the parents to ensure their child is educated, Hard to do, when the options are so limited, and public schools provide very little leeway for parents, to have the final say.

Here is a quote from the NY Post article. It is all about entitlement, and not about the kids.

“Perkins himself benefited from parent choice; he graduated from Collegiate, the prestigious West Side private boys? school, something he says ?is irrelevant.? ?There is nothing wrong with a mother wanting her children to get the best education,? he says. “

Posted by Nancy on 05/25 at 09:20 AM

Even people who wish the choice movement well including Arne Duncan are saying that you cannot move fast and produce quality schools at the same time. The “market” is not some miracle machine that produces good products only as we have seen with BP, Wall Street hedge funds and derivatives, tainted meat, the list goes on and on.

Two trends are emerging, one is a group of fly-by-night fraud oriented charters of low quality and another is an increasingly corporate model by KIPP, Imagine schools, and imitators. This model takes on all of the worst bureaucratic and distant aspects of public schools without the democratic accountability aspect. Nothing could possibly be worse.

Recent studies have pointed out that ANY advantages that charters have in any locale, and they are few is based almost 100% on longer hours.

Local public schools outscore charters in most cases but in the few cases where they do well, extra hours is the sole reason. Public schools can easily do more hours but it will be expensive. More hours for the same money you say? Ya right. grin

Posted by Doug on 05/25 at 05:16 PM

Here is the NY Times article
The Teachers’ Unions’ Last Stand.

Of interest, where some insist that charter schools are of the fly-by-night operation and the corporate charter schools. The majority of them in the United States are not either of the above.

The article, is of interest, where it shows the politics between the reformers and the public school supporters. Plus it has an interesting comparison, of a charter school and a public school, located within one building.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23Race-t.html

Posted by Nancy on 05/25 at 07:10 PM

When parents have a choice between a system that keeps making promises but failing to deliver the education that their children need, this is the outcome

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/christina_blizzard/2010/05/25/14087091.html

Choice is indeed on the move in Ontario and there’s not much the unions can do about it. Peddling programs that guarantee jobs for well-paid bureaucrats just isn’t going to cut it in a system of continued declining enrollment which thanks to the glut of unions is becoming unaffordable.

Posted by Chuck on 05/26 at 07:07 AM

Choice within the public system is 100% unionized Chuck. Unions are also organizing rapidly in private schools in Canada and the USA. Anybody who thinks private or even choice means no unions better think again.

Posted by Doug on 05/26 at 08:03 AM

“Anybody who thinks private or even choice means no unions better think again.”

Um…no Doug. You can generalize with your blanket statements all you want but the truth is that many educators choose private and alternatives to get as far away from those union tentacles and social Gulag as possible.  In fact, just this past weekend I met a new teacher grad unable to find work in Ontario heading to a private school in Japan - no union.

I have a family member who teaches at combination public/private school - no union and no teacher certification necessary.

Posted by Chuck on 05/26 at 08:21 AM

Unions are looking to expand their market share.  They work on a business model too—they don’t make any money if there aren’t any members paying dues.

Private sector unionization has been shrinking for a quite a while now.  The public sector has been affected by the economy as well (hiring freezes & layoffs), so unions are looking to keep up their numbers.  In order to do so, they have to either lobby for programs that need more hires, like all day K, or try to organize non-unionized environments.

Posted by doretta on 05/26 at 08:27 AM

This is another way to fill the ranks of dues-paying teachers—change the criteria for qualifications.
We have a teacher surplus and the Ontario College of Teachers has just made it easier to be a teacher in Ontario:

http://www.oct.ca/news/tqr/?lang=en-CA

Apparently teacher union dominated college board consulted for four years with their stakeholders to figure this all out.

Posted by Doretta on 05/26 at 01:22 PM

Yes, it started back from 2006. Yet the new changes, made no changes to have teachers take courses of reading and writing, that is based on science. Would it not be refreshing, to see one general teacher in the elementary schools, be well versed on reading and writing?  As it is now, a special education teacher does not need to take one course on learning disabilities. Of course even one course, would never be able to cover all of the aspects, but it may certainly help in answering questions of parents, that often goes unanswered.

Posted by Nancy on 05/26 at 03:07 PM

Chuck, you can use anecdotal one off examples that can’t be checked and examples from Asia all you want, schools of choice in the public systems are guaranteed to have unions and increasing numbers of private schools will be unionized in the future. AFT/NEA are out to unionize all the charter schools.

Non union does not follow from privatization, non-union just means lower quality.

Posted by Doug on 05/27 at 11:20 AM

Apparently, the American teachers’ unions are going after the charter schools.

“Before all this is over, the NEA and AFT may echo the same complaints about teacher contracts that school reformers and superintendents have been making for the past three decades. Now that would be ironic, don’t you think? “

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/03/16/union-run-schools

IT would be ironic to say the least.

Posted by Nancy on 05/27 at 12:11 PM

That’d be why “schools of choice in the public system” are pretty much a waste; they’re governed by the same workrules, seniority lists, salary lists, etc as any other school in the public system.

On the issue of the teacher unions trying to organize chartyer schools I suspect that’s what drives them crazy; they don’t have mandatory unionization of the charters.  They’d have to compete for the teachers and those who aren’t required to join may choose not to.  Monopolies don’t like competition.

Posted by John L on 05/31 at 07:33 PM

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