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There are Surveys, Then There are Surveys

April 18, 2012 by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) at 08:42 AM

There is a twitter message being passed on about an Ontario survey that wants to know what parents, students, and teachers think.  At first I thought it was an effort by the Ontario government to find out what the public actually thought about how they were doing but, when I clicked on the link, lo and behold I see the usual “comrades for edukation” have collaborated:

               A project of the Ontario Student Trustees’ Association. OSTA-AECO has partnered with Student Vote, People for Education, ScholarshipsCanada.com, the Ontario Teachers’ Federation, the Ontario Principals’ Council, the Ontario Public School Boards’ Association and the Ontario Catholic School Trustees Association to ask students, parents, and educators the same ten questions about school and education.

The questions (the same for teachers, parents and students) run the gamut of earth-shattering controversy (sarcasm here) to downright confusing.  Here’s a sample:  Should plastic water bottles be banned from your school? Would students benefit from shorter vacation and more breaks through the year?  Some questions might generate genuinely interesting answers about whether school uniforms or single gender schools are desireable, but one asking whether the school prepares students to vote in elections was, frankly, disturbing.  Huh? Are students being indoctrinated?   There is space to comment, however.  There is no place to respond as a past parent or general member of the public - so you don’t matter to these “stakeholders”. 

There is not ONE question on whether one thinks that children are learning anything, whether math is being taught effectively, whether you want more alternatives, if you worry about your rural school, etc.  I guess the really tough opinion questions are up to SQE to ask.  If readers want to know what some Ontario parents think—a good start is our SQE-sponsored study here.  Still, if you are interested in the survey above, I suggest you fill it out anyways (pick a role) and make plenty of comments!!  They need to hear from more than the usual suspects.

Comments

lol I have received it   2 days ago , few months earlier I have attended one of there meeting downtown Toronto I was among all of those big shots ,and I have said it clear regarding the systematic discrimination for the special need kids in education boards as well as the silent majority will not be silent as our diverse population growing,blessed are those who learned from history .

Posted by Matt wanes on 04/18 at 09:50 AM

Ms. Dare,

There is nothing inconsequential, confusing, or indoctrination in any of those questions.  Let’s take a look, shall we?

A) Plastic Bottles:  you may not care, but this generation is extremely environmentally aware.  Plastic bottles are not necessary and are filling up our dumps. Given the activism among the teenagers in my school, this question doesn’t surprise me one bit.

B) Shorter vacation:. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought SQE was for year round schooling?  Suddenly because the students might be for it, you have to be against it?

C). Citizenship:. Your paragon of education, the US has citizenship classes throughout school.  We have one half grade 10 class in case you are not aware.  Perfectly logical to ask if that is enough.

Seems to me that you are just trying to be contradictory.

Posted by Wayne Scott Ng on 04/18 at 11:06 AM

Actually Wayne, I’m to blame for today’s posting.  grin

I see your points,  but I also do realize that this is primarily a student organization-driven survey faciliated by organizations that have a vested interest in the school system.

Regarding B, the survey didn’t ask about a longer school year.  It asked about a shorter vacation with MORE breaks during the year.

Naturally I’m trying to point out the contractions in this sort of survey over one that would be properly designed to accurately to find out what parents, teachers, and the public actually think about the public education system. 

I think some of the questions are pretty interesting and I said so.  I still think that people should fill it out and make lots of honest comments since they provide the space to do so.  The yes/no responses make it a bit of a push-poll and won’t tell the whole story—too many grey areas in some, but not all, of the questions.

Do I think kids are prepared to vote in elections? Maybe—depends on what they’ve learned, how they’ve learned it, and from whom they’ve learned it…and what age they’re at.  The question is too vague.

smile

Posted by doretta on 04/18 at 12:07 PM

Sorry Doretta,

I was responding from my IPhone - old eyes.  So, I have you to blame - I mean debate! wink

Careful of the response on B - shorter vacation and more breaks is the hallmark of year-round schooling.

I haven’t seen the survey, but I applaud the student trustees for trying - they may not be professional, but the survey may yield interesting results.  Those results could be followed by more scientific research later.

The question of knowledge about elections is extremely interesting.  Today’s teenagers are not only more environmentally active than in the last 20 years, but more politically active as well - and for many of the same reasons.  They don’t accept the standard answers/parties.  Something that ought to make both the extreme right and the extreme left nervous.  You may have noted a drop in the voter turnout in the last few elections. The Green Party isn’t eyeing our riding for nothing - if teenagers had been allowed to vote, they would have won.  I would suspect similar results in other ridings.  There may be some interesting shifts in voter patterns in the next decade as this generation reaches age of majority.

Posted by Wayne Scott Ng on 04/18 at 04:38 PM
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