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Society for Quality Education

The devil is in the details

September 15, 2012 by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) at 08:51 AM

There is an editorial in today’s Mop and Pail regarding a request from conservative Muslim and Christian parents that public schools accommodate their religious faiths by exempting their children from various programs, such as sex education, environmental worship, and values-neutral education. The Mop opines that this is a reasonable request for certain topics, but not for others. What a can of worms that is! For example, who is going to arbitrate which topics are off-limits and which aren’t? The Mop and Pail? Really?

Adding to the confusion is the problem of how the various topics are treated. It has been my observation that the kinds of teachers who are attracted to teaching contentious topics - sex ed, environmentalism, ethics - are not necessarily the sort of people I want broaching such sensitive topics with my kids. For example, while I am very tolerant of various sexual orientations (I mean, really, who gives a damn?), I nevertheless deplored the way this topic was treated at my children’s school - you know, now children, homosexuals are GOOD. I felt such emphasis gave sexual orientation hugely greater importance than it warrants in the overall scheme of things. So I would have much rather the school had minded its own business (that would be the three R’s, in case you hadn’t guessed). And I wasn’t thrilled by the teacher who taught my son how to shoot up (true story) or the teacher who took it upon herself to teach my too-young daughter very graphic sexual details, scaring and horrifying her.

The comments to the editorial tend to be quite hostile to the request from the conservative Muslim and Christian parents. The commenters are obviously assuming that the public schools will treat sensitive topics in a reasonable, responsible manner. And of course, most teachers will. But some teachers are jerks or incompetents, and they seem to disproportionately enjoy teaching sensitive topics. Children are in school for something like 14 or 15 years, meaning the odds are pretty good that every child will encounter at least one of these lemons. Do we really want to give these folks permission to mess with our kids’ minds?

Comments

POSTED ON BEHALF OF ME:

Interesting juxtaposition, or hypocrisy - which ever way you want to look at it:

“I mean, really, who gives a damn?”

vs

“I nevertheless deplored the way this topic was treated at my children’s school - you know, now children, homosexuals are GOOD.”

Who gives a damn?  Apparently you do.  This is not the first time you have voiced your homophobic views.

Furthermore:  “But some teachers are jerks or incompetents…” careful Ms Dare, my grade five teacher used to say “Watch out when you point a finger at someone, there are always three pointing back at you.”

Posted by Wayne Scott Ng on 09/15 at 10:18 AM

This discussion could be really interesting being christen Orthodox and memorized the Quran when I was 9 both of them have their hidden agenda and I do not want to be dragged to religious debate but I am willing to answer any question

Posted by Medhat Wanes on 09/15 at 03:25 PM

Last time I checked Wain this forum is hosted by SQE and “Ms” Dare.

Don’t like it? You too have choices…...yet you choose to lend your own bias to Malkin’s own experience.

What makes you judge and jury of anyone’s personal perspective based on their experience?

Please point out what you describe as “homophobic views”. Those are your words based on your own assumptions. Not based on anything written in Malkin’s post.

Posted by Chuck on 09/15 at 04:40 PM

Chuck

Ms. Dare’s views may not be homophobic, they may be heterosexist.  Here is a definition for you:

“Around the same time, heterosexism began to be used as a term analogous to sexism and racism, describing an ideological system that denies, denigrates, and stigmatizes any nonheterosexual form of behavior, identity, relationship, or community (Herek, 1990). Using the term heterosexism highlights the parallels between antigay sentiment and other forms of prejudice, such as racism, antisemitism, and sexism.”

Also:

“Scientific analysis of the psychology of antigay attitudes will be facilitated by a new term. Sexual prejudice serves this purpose nicely. Broadly conceived, sexual prejudice refers to all negative attitudes based on sexual orientation, whether the target is homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. Given the current social organization of sexuality, however, such prejudice is almost always directed at people who engage in homosexual behavior or label themselves gay, lesbian, or bisexual (Herek, 2000).

Like other types of prejudice, sexual prejudice has three principal features:

It is an attitude (i.e., an evaluation or judgment).
It is directed at a social group and its members.
It is negative, involving hostility or dislike.

Conceptualizing heterosexuals’ negative attitudes toward homosexuality and bisexuality as sexual prejudice – rather than homophobia – has several advantages. First, sexual prejudice is a descriptive term. Unlike homophobia, it conveys no a priori assumptions about the origins, dynamics, and underlying motivations of antigay attitudes.

Second, the term explicitly links the study of antigay hostility with the rich tradition of social psychological research on prejudice.

Third, using the construct of sexual prejudice does not require value judgments that antigay attitudes are inherently irrational or evil.”

These quotes come from a very enlightening article on the subject by a professor from UC Davis:  http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/prej_defn.html.

Since it is highly advantageous for certain groups to marginalize gay people, denigrate their worth and seek to exclude their experiences from public discourse as displayed above, it should rightly have been defined as sexual prejudice, not homophobia.  I stand corrected.

Posted by Wayne Scott Ng on 09/16 at 06:55 AM

” I stand corrected.”

You do no such thing Wain.

What you do is try to lead readers around to your own perspective.

It makes Malkin’s neither homophobic or biased.

You like to play at being non-judgemental but seriously dude, your words say otherwise.

Posted by Chuck on 09/16 at 10:17 AM
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