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It’s Not A Secret

May 03, 2010 by at 02:27 PM

In Sunday’s Toronto Sun, Lorrie Goldstein has written a great column, Secret to Their Success, about how private schools can help troubled black youth in Toronto.  He wrote about how Crawford Academy has had a very good success rate with their students, of which 70 to 80 per cent are black and the rest are mostly from other visible minorities.   He writes:

        “To be sure, it’s unfair to compare Crawford to public schools because, unlike them, Crawford can pick and choose its students. But Crawford’s success indicates why former Ontario Conservative leader John Tory’s proposal to publicly fund faith-based schools had merit, even if it ended his political career and cost the Tories the 2007 election.  At the time, Premier Dalton McGuinty - who, ironically, sent his own children to Catholic schools - charged faith-based schools “segregate” and “sequester” young people and threaten “social cohesion.“ Nonsense. Crawford’s students aren’t ‘segregated’ or ‘sequestered’, they’re ‘succeeding’, and because they’re succeeding, they will become fully integrated members of our society.  It’s black kids living in troubled neighbourhoods who drop out of public school at the first opportunity to become gang members, drug dealers and baby mothers, who end up “segregated” and “sequestered” from society.“

I first met the fine staff at Crawford when SQE sponsored the visit of Dr. Howard Fuller back in 2009.  Dr. Fuller spoke to Crawford parents one January evening.  Lest you think that parents at Crawford are rich, élitest snobs, nothing could be further from the truth.  Goldstein reports that 30 per cent of Crawford’s students come from single-parent families.  As many other parents at private schools do, these parents make huge financial sacrifices to make sure their children get an excellent education in a safe, caring, but disciplined environment.

I recently had a chat with Crawford’s high school principal and we talked about the poverty factor in education outcomes.  He agreed with me that poverty should not be used as an excuse.  The cure for poverty is education.    

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On a related note, I’d like to think the expansion of alternative schools in Toronto such as the Africentric school, same-sex schools, and a choir school had its incubation way back when SQE arranged a meeting between the TDSB Trustees and Angus McBeath, the former director of education of Edmonton Public Schools.

To readers who are new to the Edmonton model of public choice, McBeath was responsible for running public education as though they weren’t a monopoly.  Boundaries were eliminated, parents were given a passport to any school, schools directly got 90% of all education funding, principals were directly accountable to the director for acheivement and finances, and many alternative schools were offered, including religious schools. 

The Toronto leg of McBeath’s speaking tour was sponsored by SQE, but the main North American tour was co-ordinated by the Atlantic Institute for Market Studies.  AIMS is celebrating their 15th anniversary with a dinner in Moncton, NB next month.  The keynote speaker for that event is Jeb Bush, the former governnor of Florida who is also related to a couple of presidents.  Jeb Bush was instrumental in establishing school choice programs and other education accountability measures in the state of Florida. 

Comments

Doug, now where has it been written, that the ministry, the board and the teachers’ colleges have looked at all the studies and evidence and simply concluded that they are correct on the issues?

Show me and others where this has been concluded without a doubt. It sounds to me, what Joanne has written, what are they afraid of?  You are more afraid of what she has written, and what she has written in the past, and what she will write in the future. What lies behind your lies, the real truth is the public education system, is so very behind the times. Much like the public education system, and the aversion to private tutoring, and their claims that it harms the child’s education. Oh, yes I have been busy how the advocates of the public education system, mainly union driven, are based on the fact, that the child that improves by the use of a private tutor, will harm the teacher’s ability to teach the rest of the children, to the same level as the tutored child. Or the opposite happens, where the teacher chooses to teach only part of the curriculum, forcing the other children to go to tutor to be taught the rest. Another pack of lies, and illogical to say the least.

What you are afraid of, the knowledge of the research to reach all parents’ ears, and than some not all in the public education system, would look pretty foolish defending policies, based on a half-baked philosophy, where the only evidence that is being used are on the subjective measurements, that is highly influenced by the individual’s interpretation of the words and data.

Posted by Nancy on 05/04 at 07:46 PM

It is not written somewhere, not everything is. Look caefully. You are not getting anywhere in real professional circles. It is not the unions. It is the universities, the ministry, the boards, the teachers’ colleges, the subject councils, the reading associations, and all of the rest say you are wrong. Deal with it.

Posted by Doug on 05/04 at 07:56 PM

“It is the universities, the ministry, the boards, the teachers’ colleges, the subject councils, the reading associations, and all of the rest say you are wrong. Deal with it.“

But Doug, I am still looking at what you say, which is all are in agreement, not some, but ALL are in agreement. Your words, and as I said under another post, I will now add, subject councils, reading associations to my letter campaign, where you will be the main test subject. As I state again, I will make it my project over the summer time, because it is time to stopped your lies, especially speaking on the behalf of others who are in the education field, without providing the proof that their are in agreement with what you said,

Posted by Nancy on 05/04 at 08:17 PM

Nancy, Nancy, Nancy, talk to Malkin or Doretta, they will tell you. The very fact that you have no traction, that almost all boards and schools operate in a students-centred, balanced literacy, fashion is the evidence that the broad consensus in education is against you. It is just the overwhelming Zeitgeist, the hegemony, the dominant view. If it was not, people in power would be listening. They are not listening to you. Have you not noticed?

Posted by Doug on 05/04 at 08:33 PM

Doug, I will be using your words, when I send my letters off. To asked them if they are in agreement with your words. You has peeved me off, and now I will put my skills, taught in the very same matter as SQE are advocating for, and use the brains that God has given, and put them to good use. The key here, Doug, rarely are my letters ignore. That is not tooting my horn, but a fact. I have taught enough people over the years how to write an effective letter, to obtain a response. It is another area of the public education system, that no longer teach how to communicate effectively in written correspondence. That skill, was taught to us every year, from grade 2 to grade 10, and yes even in the 5 year program.

Posted by Nancy on 05/04 at 08:59 PM

You might want to check your spelling and grammar in this post. The second sentence is not a sentence. to"asked them” I “has” peeved you off?
matter or manner? Your letters are not ignore or ignored?

Find yourself an editor.

Posted by Doug on 05/04 at 09:09 PM

Do not worry about my errors in the last post, that was written off, without checking for errors. The letters that I write, are not written in haste. But people do write in haste, and when they do, mistakes are made. But you do tick people off, without providing the sources that states in no uncertain terms, that what you have stated here is correct and we are all wrong.

Posted by Nancy on 05/04 at 10:07 PM

I’m not here or anywhere else Nancy lookin for love. I am here to point out that majority opinion does not support the main tenants of conservative education. The parents don’t support it, the voters don’t support it and the dominant view of the intellectuals and bureaucrats don’t support it. The unions are the least of your worries. You need to win an intellectual and political struggle first and you are a long way from even being on the radar. I talk on a regular basis to ministers of education, seniour bureaucrats etc. When and if the SQE philosophy ever comes up in conversation eyes roll and the groans begin. The pov is risible.

Posted by Doug on 05/04 at 10:32 PM

But Doug, I am not writing to support anyone’s viewpoint, I am asking if they agree with your position.You have made it quite clear, and I will try to confirm that position, since you are unwilling to come up with some type of proof, or provide names.

Posted by Nancy on 05/05 at 04:31 AM

I think that the SQE blog crew have been more than reasonable to allow Doug Little to continue to post in a tone and manner not normally accepted on other blogs where one is a guest.

I’m ready to vote Mr. Little off the island. He’s not respectful of the views of folks here who genuinely want a place they can call their own.

That Doug has chosen this particular blog to insult and provoke - more than others only means he can get away with it here.

I’ll not be responding to his bait any longer. That’s what it is you know. He comes here hoping to get a reaction, and most often does so. What happens then is any normal discussion is dedicated to him and his comments….he’s essentially dominating this blog.

Posted by Chuck on 05/05 at 05:50 AM

“You might want to check your spelling and grammar in this post. The second sentence is not a sentence. to"asked them” I “has” peeved you off?
matter or manner? Your letters are not ignore or ignored?

Find yourself an editor.“

NOTICE to all.  This is exactly what I refering to about being respectful. 

This is also a case of the pot calling the kettle black. 

Doug, if you go back through your countless posts, you will find more than your fair share of spelling and grammar mistakes.  At the time, I gave everyone the benefit of the doubt and put it down to typing skills and being swept away in the emotion of the moment. 

If the discussion starts to devolve to schoolyard, “nyah, nyah, nyah”, the comments will be closed.

Posted by Doretta on 05/05 at 07:22 AM

Malkin and Doretta,

Thank you for this blog.  Over the last several weeks I’ve enjoyed reading it as well as making the odd post.

I would be very sorry to see Doug “voted off the island”.  While I disagree with Doug, and agree with most of the others, Doug’s posts are the only ones I consistently read.  This blog would be a whole lot less interesting without him.

I would also caution against a situation where this blog becomes a collection of like-minded voices speaking amongst themselves.

Yes, Doug has been rude and inappropriate in tone.  (You really have, Doug.)  However, in my view he has not been the only offender.  Could we all not tone it down a bit?

One more thought.  It should go without saying that Doug’s views are not up for influence.  However, the views of those visit this website without posting are likely much more impressionable.  A poor tone to the blog may reflect poorly on the cause.

Just sayin’ ....

Yes, he could have motives that go beyond just sharing his views.  So what?

Posted by Dave on 05/05 at 02:11 PM

RE:  “I’m not here or anywhere else ... lookin for love. I am here to point out that majority opinion does not support the main tenants of conservative education. .... The unions are the least of your worries. You need to win an intellectual and political struggle first and you are a long way from even being on the radar.“

I think this is a very good post.  It might be worth storing on the site permantly somewhere.

Seriously.

Posted by Dave on 05/05 at 02:16 PM

Fair enough

  One issue seems to be that its an individual determined, for his own reasons,  to battle just about everyone else here. 

There are sites where he’d be more comfortable and more likely to find kindred spirits and less likely to get into fights with everyone else.  the people who tend to come here are interested in, and want to explore, issues surrounding alternatives to the status quo.  What they don’t want, by and large, is to be attacked by someone who simply dismisses views unlike his own out of hand.

There are other education sites which, for reasons not entirely clear, don’t offer guests the opportunity to comment so it’d be a shame to lose one which does.

I’m willing to take a deep breath and moderate my tone if I’m one of the culprits wink

Posted by John L on 05/05 at 05:22 PM

Having spent years in the public system, I’ve had my fill of the type of condescending discussion Mr. Little exhibits here.

He rarely answers questions to provide proof of sweeping generalizations and often provokes the responses he gets himself.

I read nothing in his posts that’s new to me, or unexpected from the chattering classes that continue to prop up a failing system.

There are better alternatives out there for both teachers and students.

Posted by notasheep on 05/05 at 08:48 PM

Vast majority of experts do nor agree with your Mr Sheep,

Vast majority of parents are satisfied

2nd Best system in the world (OECD PISA)

Polls consistently point out only problem is need for more money (OISE Poll)

You are part of a very small minority Mr Sheep but don’t let that stop you. Stand up for what you believe in.

Posted by Doug on 05/05 at 10:09 PM

Experts are what got the public education system into the mess it’s in now.

Did you contribute Doug?

I stand by my perception that you add no value to the efforts of SQE or the discussion here and actually allow visitors here to trump you every day.

You would not be here if you we’re trolling and provoking.

That’s your method.

Your message is tired.

Posted by notasheep on 05/06 at 06:15 AM

Talk about tired, your methods have been around for a century, have been rejected time after time by the experts and yet you persist while nobody listens.

Do you ever ask why is NOBODY listening? Tht must be very frustrating. Perhaps you are just wrong but I know you are not able to entertain that idea. BTW Mr Sheep, why hide behind a phoney identity? Many of use use our real names here. What are you afraid of?

Posted by Doug on 05/06 at 07:17 AM

We’ve seen posts from both “Doug Little” and “Doug”, seemingly the same person…

How does that work?

Possibly we should look at the commenter rules of decorum over at the Little Report on Education as a guide… 

Apparently there is no comment feature over there.
Work on that and report back.

Posted by John L on 05/06 at 10:38 AM

This is the place you always go after you lose all the arguments. I am one of a handful of people who is not ashamed of my identity and don’t hide behind pseudonyms. Malkin and Doretta and I are not embarrased to let people know who we are. How about the rest of you.

You can start John L.

Posted by Doug on 05/06 at 11:22 AM

Well it’s hardly a secret Doug.  It IS SQE’s blog after all. We write it.

If commenters want to remain anonymous, that’s fine with us.  Privacy is respected here.

Posted by Doretta on 05/06 at 12:12 PM

The “place I always go…“ is simply to suggest you offer a comment function at your education site.

As someone who makes very great use of the feature here I can only assume you consider it a valuable resource.  Why not offer it to guests at your site?

I applaud Dorretta and Malkin for their willingess to offer the resource to guests (and put up with some silliness).  It shows considerable regard for hearing the opinions of others, I think.

Posted by John L on 05/06 at 05:24 PM
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